Meet Max and Leo aka the Ladies Who Lunch. Max (33) is a fashion model who claims he’s from Toronto, Canada, even though he grew up on a dairy farm somewhere east of Ottawa. Leo (28), on the other hand, is an Italian artist with wavy blond hair from the luscious hills of Tuscany, and grandson to a man who makes wine that no one wants to drink (allegedly).
Considering both their backgrounds, it would be fair to say that they are experts at all things fluid, which might also explain why they host Ladies Who Lunch, a weekly podcast that is always DRIPPING! WINGS sat down with Max and Leo (both he/him) to talk about their hilarious and outrageously explicit show. Strap yourself in, it’s gonna be a wild ride!
Ladies, for those who haven’t listened to your podcast yet, what is it all about?
Leo: “We basically talk about our own adventures and misfortunes, anything that is happening in our lives. Our thing is vanilla and kinky. That’s who we are for real. It’s fucking funny to talk about. I mean, Max recently passed out during a hook-up and broke a table, high on whatever, that’s funny to me. And I literally almost got shit in the face.”
Max: “It’s the trials and tribulations of being a homosexual. Everything in between love and sex. We randomly pick a topic minutes before we start recording. I call Leo while I’m cycling to his house, and I’m like, what do you want to talk about?”
Leo: “And I’m like, I went to the dentist, let’s talk about doctors, and somehow we end up talking about dicks.”
Max: “Yeah, we somehow always go back to dicks, that’s where our humor overlaps and why we started doing this. Every time we interrupt each other the stories become funnier.”
You talk a lot about having sex, for which I applaud you. Have you two ever hooked up?
Max: “Uh, no.”
Leo: “That would be impossible for me. I can’t have any kind of sexual interaction with friends. We met through friends and we kinda connected instantly.”
Max: “Wait, what? We met through friends? We met because Leo was sleeping with my former roommate. Oh no, that’s not true, he was just sucking his dick, I’m so sorry.”
Leo: “Listen, there was a dick involved. He was an Italian that I met on Grindr, who happened to be from my hometown, which was incredible, and he lived with Max. When Max and I met, we were immediately kiki-ing. There was a sudden overload of gayness.”
Max: “Then, we started watching RuPaul’s Drag Race together. It was our weekly thing. Little by little, we stopped hanging out with everybody else.”
Leo: “It’s just us now.”
What topics do you like to talk about in the podcast?
Leo: “I love talking about kink. Whenever I come back from events like Darklands or Easter Berlin, I have soooo many stories.”
Max: “And then I just sit down and listen to him talk for 45 minutes. Sex is our favorite topic. I like the funny bits in all of it, like when I got wasted and passed out in this guy’s kitchen…”
Leo: “…and broke a table…”
Max: “…and broke a table! I want to make people laugh with the shit we go through. I don’t know why, but for some reason I need someone to laugh at my embarrassing stories.”
Leo: “In the kink world the irony is hidden away sometimes, but I think the shit we go through is fucking funny. Two days ago, I was stuck in a body bag. Five hours in and all I could think about was what recipe I could make once I got out. That was so funny to me. Life is hilarious, there is humor in everything, and I will not hide anything.”
Max: “Part of me feels like it’s just us hanging out as friends when we’re making the podcast, but when people approach us in public, they suddenly know so much about me, it’s kinda weird.”
Leo: “When they’re like, you’re the one that almost got shit in the face, right?”
Does that make you uncomfortable?
Leo: “No, I love it.”
Max: “Half of the time I’ve forgotten the stuff we’ve talked about. Thank god for short term memory.”
Max, do you tell each other your new adventures before you start recording?
Max: “We try not to, but it does happen. It’s funny, doing this podcast kinda pushes me to do and experience things for the story itself. There’s this guy on my Grindr grid for example, his name is Human Toilet, and Leo’s like…
Leo: ”…you go over there and shit in his mouth…”
Max: “…and tell us about it on the podcast!”
Leo, you boys have been doing the podcast for almost a year now, and you’ve shared a ton of stories with your audience. What’s your favorite?
Leo: “I love the one about me sucking off someone on a cemetery next to my dead teacher’s grave. That was fucking fierce. I found this cemetery in the woods a few months prior, and it was the only place I could think of that night to take this guy. We drove there and I stood right next to my teacher’s fucking grave while going down on this man and I thought, she must be so proud of me! I didn’t even know that she had died!”
Max: “It was the epitome of gay’s liking their English teacher.”
Leo: “It was my Italian literature teacher, but same thing.”
Let’s take a second to take that one in…
Soooo, what’s your favorite sex toy?
Leo: “I’ll give you my favorite category, which is gags, because I can’t shut the fuck up. Years ago, when I was still living in London, I was in bondage for nine hours overnight. The morning after, this guy removed the gag, and I started talking immediately. Five minutes later he put it back in.”
Max: “I love me some nipple play. When we did our Darklands episode, I had them on for the entire show – 45 minutes in total.”
They were these Japanese clover clamps, right? I remember hearing it on the podcast. Leo got the name wrong by the way, he mentioned a different country.
Leo: “Call me out, yeeees!”
Max: “When we get sponsoring from Mister B, we will get it right.”
I’m amazed that you were able to hold a conversation while having them on for that long. That must have been excruciating.
Max: “Again… I do it for the stories. The first ten minutes were excruciating, after that I tried not to move too much.”
Did Leo pull on the little chain that connects the nipple clamps at any time?
Simultaneously: “No, no…”
Leo: “…we’re sisters!”
Max: “…we love each other!”
Are there any kink scenarios that you’ve tried out and absolutely hated?
Max: “I don’t deal with disrespect. I need to be respected if you want me to suck your dick. I’m gonna give you gold right there and I expect you to treat me like a king in return.”
Leo: “I’m the opposite. I won’t open this mouth unless somebody degrades me. One thing I absolutely can’t deal with is scat. A few people have tried to shit on me, and I will not have it. If I smell the tiniest sample of it in your ass as you’re sitting on my face, then I’ll get out of there as fast as I can. Also, needles and blood are a no-go. One time, this guy held a knife to my throat, and I was like, no thank you. The only people allowed to draw blood from me are my dentist and the nurse at the GGD.”
Tell me something controversial.
Leo: “Can I go first? Some of these masters in this community are insecure as fuck, ok?! They think they’re smart, but they’re not. I was talking to this master on the apps who wanted me to be available later that night. At one point, I asked him a question and then he ghosted me for four hours! The next morning, he sent me a message calling me unreal and unreliable as a sub. I read that bitch to filth. I get this attitude a lot. It’s a boner-killer when that insecurity comes through. You can be the hottest person in the club, you can be a Tom-of-Finland drawing brought to life, but the minute you show me that insecurity, I’m out of there.”
Max: “My controversial thing actually comes from the episode we recorded today. The kink community is the only community where it’s acceptable to show up in the exact same outfit as everyone else. If I go to a party and see seventeen people wearing my shirt I’m going home, but in the kink community everyone is like, ‘yaaaaaaas, same pants, I liiiiiive.’”
Leo: “This is too controversial. I feel bullied, I feel singled out, I can’t take it.”
Is there anything you would like to share with our readers about Ladies Who Lunch before they hit the subscribe button on their preferred podcasting platform?
Max: “We’re both entertainers in our own right, and this is just another way for us to share our truth, to tell our stories, and to make you laugh. People tell us they feel like they’re hanging out with friends when they’re listening to us.”
Leo: “Their gutter friends.”
Max: “We’re basically just another podcast with two gay guys talking. Fortunately, this time it’s not about RuPaul’s Drag Race!”
